Hello Matt,
I came across the painting featured on our web-site when looking for items related to Wickhamford, via Google. The image is not clear enough to make out the signature, so the details are those given with the painting.
If you have not seen the web-site where the painting featured it is-
I think that your pictures are likely to be genuine. If you search for Edward Scott Ridsdale online you will find information about him. This is backed up by records on Ancestry. He was an architect from York who moved to Evesham. Your great grandmother would be his daughter who married her cousin so they were both Ridsdales. Are the pictures of places around Badsey so of interest to people who visit this site?
Thanks Catherine,
I am just staring the scanning and editing process on drawings etc and some genealogy research on my family - something I should have started years ago when my parents were alive to get first hand information. I'll share the scans on my google drive eventually.
The Custard Boys (Custard Brothers) were John and Will Dallimore. They were given the name after appearing in a Central TV program about Bird's Custard called Taste Of Success in 2003. It was introduced by Tony Francis and featured John sitting in a bath of custard, amongst other comedic clips of the Badsey brothers. Lumpy custard still features regularly in their weekly meals.
I have been delighted to see - and read - the brief article by Peter Stewart on the spectacularly beautiful red Anemone growing in the churchyard at Badsey.
This in a rare place to see this particularly delicate and lovely form of this flower (an A. x fulgens var.), - it grew in a garden in Hampshire where we lived. I have an appeal - has anyone propagated from this plant in the churchyard? - I should be delighted to buy a legitimate propagated specimen (not just dug up!). Is it possible to communicate with Peter Stewart about this? Many thanks and Good Luck to the Badsey football team in their rare anemone colours!
Tom,
As far as I am aware no one has propagated from this plant, and how it found its way into the churchyard I do not know. Perhaps Terry Sparrow will enlighten us on this, suggest where you may obtain a propagated specimen.
I did send a copy of the photograph of this flower to an old friend, George Sfikas, a prolific author on the fauna and flora of Greece. He shows two plates in his 'Flowers of Greece'.
My wife and I find the Badsey society website fascinating and have enjoyed looking at past photos of the area, the information on The Old Farmhouse in Blackminster that you have was also very helpful as it has filled in gaps in our knowledge of the area where we have lived for the last 30 years.
I recently discovered that my maternal grandmother was a Sandy and have traced that back to Jamestown where it becomes tricky which Sandy was the direct line. I have it as far back as Henry Miles Sandys born in 1642, and who his father was is the key. (This is one line I read about a discussion of verbal history but no citations, the author is from the site https://www.geni.com/people/N-N-Sandys-of-Falling-Creek-VA/600000003544… ) Anything you have to help would be appreciated.
I also found this "Henry Miles Sandys was born at Falling Creek, Virginia in 1642. When his parents returned to England, he stayed behind with his Aunt Carolyn, who married Henry Northrup. Henry married Carolyn Southwaite."
There are two trees on ancestry.co.uk that mention Henry Miles Sandys. One says he married Caroline Southwaite and they had a son, Thomas Wyatt Sandys. Another tree does not have these details, but gives Henry Miles Sandys' father as Capt. Henrie Sandys, who was b. in Northbourne, Kent in 1605 and died there in 1640.
I always treat these trees with caution unless the sources given can be followed up, but they may give you some leads to follow.
I am trying to find out about the above person, whom I believe is male, I believe he was a grandson of Mary Ann Knight (died 25/2/1939) and Charles Knight (died 1944) as it is mention in a report in the Evesham Journal (posted by the great grandson Tom Ford) that "G E Knight" was a coffin bearer.
Anyway, G E Knight was the first owner of my car, a 1934 Austin 7 (Ruby) and I would love to know where he lived in the 1930's (so I can park the car outside of his home) AND, if any of his descendants have any photos of the car (a long shot I know).
I am going to be passing through the area on Monday from Tewkesbury to Penrith (and back again Thursday) as part of an Austin 7 centenary celebration to mark 100 years of the car's launch from Land's End to John O'Groats.
The car now lives in Brighton and has been on the road following completion of its restoration in 2015.
The coffin bearer mentioned in the Evesham Journal report would have been George Edward Knight (born 1913), grandson of Charles and Mary Ann Knight.
I think it’s more likely, however, that G E Knight was George Edgar Knight, Deputy Surveyor for Evesham Rural District Council, born on 18th May 1908, the son of George Henry Knight and his wife, Florence (née Perkins) and baptised in St James’ Church, Badsey, on 19th July. He attended Badsey Council School from 1912-1923. This Knight family lived at 7 Belmont Terrace, Badsey (present-day address 25 Willersey Road). You can see them in the 1911, 1921 and 1939 register. George married Dorothy Andrews in 1935 and they settled in Evesham. In the 1939 Register they were recorded as living at Lidcombe, Albert Road, Evesham (Lidcombe seems to be between Nos 12 & 13 Albert Road – there were four houses with just names rather than numbers). As well as being Deputy Surveyor, George was also described as being “Head of ARP Repair Services”.
So, you have a choice of Badsey or Evesham for the photo. He would have been living in Badsey in 1934 when he bought the car and from late 1935 in Evesham.
That is fabulous information, thank you, I guess being the Deputy Surveyor would have meant having a car for his work, when the car was new he would only have been 26 years old, for a youngster to afford a brand new car back in the day he was either from a wealthy family or had a good job, seems that the latter may be right.
Interesting that he was Head of ARP Repair Services, that would probably have qualified him for petrol rations, so the car, if he still owned it then (nothing to say he didn't), then it would have done war-time duties!
Thank you for your reply, just wonder if any of his descendents have any photos???
Greetings from 1935 Ruby BYY 263. See you at the centenary? (Working feverously to get it on the road!) Currently working on the local water mill.
Not doing the LEJOG - did a JOGLE in 2008. Good for you look forward to seeing the photo.
Hello!
I have just read the entry about the Foley family as I am doing some studying for a class. I saw that you mentioned the Foley family estate and ironworks within Shelsley Walsh. I was wondering if you had a reference or a source for this information that I could read? It would be very helpful for my research.
Thank you in advance!
Max Hunt gives talks on the village of Shelsley Walsh and it includes the rise and fall of 3 great families so Max may have information on the Foley family and the ironworks.
I put his name and Shelsley Walsh into Google and there is an advert for a talk he is giving on 14th April. There is a phone number so you may be able to make contact with him.
Asparagus is still grown commercially (under glass) in Wickhamford at Nightingale Orchards, Longdon Hill.
This years crop will be on sale from 14th march 2022.
Thanks, Graham. I've now added a mention of this in the article. I was waiting for the nursery to open this Spring to confirm that the asparagus sold there was home-grown.
Hello, my Great Grandfather Albert Edward Evans, a Badsey resident,served in Vet Corps during WW1, I understand, my own Son Charlie, has just joined Vet Corps, and have been asked by his boss if I can dig up any info about Alberts service, does any one have any infomation, any thing would be greatly received.
Thank you for contacting us. Albert Edward Evans is mentioned on pages 23, 25 and 97 of Peace, War & Remembrance: The Great War in Badsey, Aldington and Wickhamford. His attestation certificate may be seen on page 25, but it is not very clear. Full details of A E Evans's WWI service may be found on both Ancestry and Findmypast - both subscription websites are currently offering free trials if you are not already a subscriber.
I recently came across this photo on your site (archive item 3727). I might be completely wrong, but I may have linked Mr and Mrs Barnard who are on it. Fanny Marshall's parents were George Addis and Hannah Glover. Hannah had previously been married to Henry Barnard (1828-1860) and they had four sons - William b.1853, Benjamin b. 1855, George b. 1857 and John b.1860. Could Mr and Mrs Barnard be mother and son rather than husband and wife? Please feel free to tell me I'm barking up completely the wrong tree!
I'm adding to my previous post. I've realised the big error in my thinking! Mrs Barnard could not have been Fanny's mother because her surname would have been Addis. Obvious really! However, could Mr Barnard have been one of Fanny's half-brothers with a very old wife? The fact that Mr and Mrs Barnard are in a family photo is surely an indication that they were related?
Karen.
Hello Sue.
Maureen has emailed me. Her theory is that the old couple are Hannah and George Addis. Hannah was previously married to Henry Barnard so whoever supplied the names for the photo may have remembered her with her first married name and it was a slip of the mind. This makes sense and I'd love to prove it as they would be my great-great-great grandparents.
Karen.
I have a "consumption" coin.
One side states "T.Pope & Co" and info on the coin manufacturer and the other side says "Edward Williams" and "Reindeer Hotel"
It seems to fit that this is Edward Williams Pope of Wickhampton Manor ???
A consumption coin was given as a wage to employees to exchange for cash in certain pubs or in a pub owned by the employer. Naturally you had to purchase beer first!
There is a couple Reindeer Inns in Worcestershire....
Is anyone interested in this ??
I am happy to whatsapp a photo
I am not a coin dealer!! I was given a bag of coin odds as a child, and have just taken a closer look at them all - a lockdown project, of course!
Kind regards
San
Thank you for your message to the Badsey Society regarding what I believe are called Tavern Tokens.
I don't think the token you have is connected to Edward William Pope of Wickhamford.
T. Pope & Co relates to the maker of the token. I think the company were probably in Birmingham in the 19th century. The British Museum has a collection of over 350 tavern tokens made by the company. There are one or two images on their website. From these images it appears that on the one side there is the name of the hotel or inn for whom they were made. Above that there is a name and presumably that relates to the owner/landlord. Below the name of the hotel/inn it should give the name of the place where the property was situated. On the reverse it should say T. Pope & Co. Makers and below it should be marked with an address. There may also be the value of the token.
Although I don't think there is any connection to the Wickhamford Pope family there is one thing that may just be a strange coincidence. William Wallington Pope, the brother of Edward William Pope died in December 1880 whilst staying at The Reindeer Hotel, Guildford.
I would, therefore, be interested in seeing the full inscriptions on both sides of the token. Perhaps you could send these.
Anyway many thanks for contacting the Society and I look forward to receiving the details on the token.
Regards
Valerie Harman
Hello all. I am the great granddaughter in Canada, of an Agg from Badsey. In search of any Agg family recipe. Hoping there is a resource ie, church cook books, local papers etc. Thx
I'm sorry, but I don't know of any recipes, certainly nothing in our church records, and I can't imagine there would be anything in the local newspaper.
Hello Jayne, In case Debbie hasn't seen your response, I have sent her an email and given her your email address if you would like to continue your conversation offline. If you have any exciting new information about the Agg family, we would love to hear from you.
Comments
Re: Original works by ESR
Hello Matt,
I came across the painting featured on our web-site when looking for items related to Wickhamford, via Google. The image is not clear enough to make out the signature, so the details are those given with the painting.
If you have not seen the web-site where the painting featured it is-
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-watercolour-1880-wickha…
I think that is all I can tell you.
Best wishes,
Tom Locke
Re: Original works by ESR
I think that your pictures are likely to be genuine. If you search for Edward Scott Ridsdale online you will find information about him. This is backed up by records on Ancestry. He was an architect from York who moved to Evesham. Your great grandmother would be his daughter who married her cousin so they were both Ridsdales. Are the pictures of places around Badsey so of interest to people who visit this site?
Re: Original works by ESR
Thanks Catherine,
I am just staring the scanning and editing process on drawings etc and some genealogy research on my family - something I should have started years ago when my parents were alive to get first hand information. I'll share the scans on my google drive eventually.
Big DIg , best photo of the week-end .
MUST be TEST pit 2, THE custard boys. THANKS Tony.
Re: Big DIg , best photo of the week-end .
The Custard Boys (Custard Brothers) were John and Will Dallimore. They were given the name after appearing in a Central TV program about Bird's Custard called Taste Of Success in 2003. It was introduced by Tony Francis and featured John sitting in a bath of custard, amongst other comedic clips of the Badsey brothers. Lumpy custard still features regularly in their weekly meals.
Anemone x fulgens - scarlet windflower
I have been delighted to see - and read - the brief article by Peter Stewart on the spectacularly beautiful red Anemone growing in the churchyard at Badsey.
This in a rare place to see this particularly delicate and lovely form of this flower (an A. x fulgens var.), - it grew in a garden in Hampshire where we lived. I have an appeal - has anyone propagated from this plant in the churchyard? - I should be delighted to buy a legitimate propagated specimen (not just dug up!). Is it possible to communicate with Peter Stewart about this? Many thanks and Good Luck to the Badsey football team in their rare anemone colours!
Re: Anemone x fulgens - scarlet windflower
Tom,
As far as I am aware no one has propagated from this plant, and how it found its way into the churchyard I do not know. Perhaps Terry Sparrow will enlighten us on this, suggest where you may obtain a propagated specimen.
I did send a copy of the photograph of this flower to an old friend, George Sfikas, a prolific author on the fauna and flora of Greece. He shows two plates in his 'Flowers of Greece'.
Blackminster and Badsey society in general
My wife and I find the Badsey society website fascinating and have enjoyed looking at past photos of the area, the information on The Old Farmhouse in Blackminster that you have was also very helpful as it has filled in gaps in our knowledge of the area where we have lived for the last 30 years.
Sandy's Jamestown relative
I recently discovered that my maternal grandmother was a Sandy and have traced that back to Jamestown where it becomes tricky which Sandy was the direct line. I have it as far back as Henry Miles Sandys born in 1642, and who his father was is the key. (This is one line I read about a discussion of verbal history but no citations, the author is from the site https://www.geni.com/people/N-N-Sandys-of-Falling-Creek-VA/600000003544… ) Anything you have to help would be appreciated.
Re: Sandy's Jamestown relative
I also found this "Henry Miles Sandys was born at Falling Creek, Virginia in 1642. When his parents returned to England, he stayed behind with his Aunt Carolyn, who married Henry Northrup. Henry married Carolyn Southwaite."
Re: Sandy's Jamestown relative
Melissa,
There are two trees on ancestry.co.uk that mention Henry Miles Sandys. One says he married Caroline Southwaite and they had a son, Thomas Wyatt Sandys. Another tree does not have these details, but gives Henry Miles Sandys' father as Capt. Henrie Sandys, who was b. in Northbourne, Kent in 1605 and died there in 1640.
I always treat these trees with caution unless the sources given can be followed up, but they may give you some leads to follow.
Tom Locke
G E Knight
I am trying to find out about the above person, whom I believe is male, I believe he was a grandson of Mary Ann Knight (died 25/2/1939) and Charles Knight (died 1944) as it is mention in a report in the Evesham Journal (posted by the great grandson Tom Ford) that "G E Knight" was a coffin bearer.
Anyway, G E Knight was the first owner of my car, a 1934 Austin 7 (Ruby) and I would love to know where he lived in the 1930's (so I can park the car outside of his home) AND, if any of his descendants have any photos of the car (a long shot I know).
I am going to be passing through the area on Monday from Tewkesbury to Penrith (and back again Thursday) as part of an Austin 7 centenary celebration to mark 100 years of the car's launch from Land's End to John O'Groats.
The car now lives in Brighton and has been on the road following completion of its restoration in 2015.
Any information would be welcomed, many thanks.
Re: G E Knight
The coffin bearer mentioned in the Evesham Journal report would have been George Edward Knight (born 1913), grandson of Charles and Mary Ann Knight.
I think it’s more likely, however, that G E Knight was George Edgar Knight, Deputy Surveyor for Evesham Rural District Council, born on 18th May 1908, the son of George Henry Knight and his wife, Florence (née Perkins) and baptised in St James’ Church, Badsey, on 19th July. He attended Badsey Council School from 1912-1923. This Knight family lived at 7 Belmont Terrace, Badsey (present-day address 25 Willersey Road). You can see them in the 1911, 1921 and 1939 register. George married Dorothy Andrews in 1935 and they settled in Evesham. In the 1939 Register they were recorded as living at Lidcombe, Albert Road, Evesham (Lidcombe seems to be between Nos 12 & 13 Albert Road – there were four houses with just names rather than numbers). As well as being Deputy Surveyor, George was also described as being “Head of ARP Repair Services”.
So, you have a choice of Badsey or Evesham for the photo. He would have been living in Badsey in 1934 when he bought the car and from late 1935 in Evesham.
Re: G E Knight
That is fabulous information, thank you, I guess being the Deputy Surveyor would have meant having a car for his work, when the car was new he would only have been 26 years old, for a youngster to afford a brand new car back in the day he was either from a wealthy family or had a good job, seems that the latter may be right.
Interesting that he was Head of ARP Repair Services, that would probably have qualified him for petrol rations, so the car, if he still owned it then (nothing to say he didn't), then it would have done war-time duties!
Thank you for your reply, just wonder if any of his descendents have any photos???
Re: G E Knight
Greetings from 1935 Ruby BYY 263. See you at the centenary? (Working feverously to get it on the road!) Currently working on the local water mill.
Not doing the LEJOG - did a JOGLE in 2008. Good for you look forward to seeing the photo.
The Foley family in Shelsley Walsh
Hello!
I have just read the entry about the Foley family as I am doing some studying for a class. I saw that you mentioned the Foley family estate and ironworks within Shelsley Walsh. I was wondering if you had a reference or a source for this information that I could read? It would be very helpful for my research.
Thank you in advance!
Re: The Foley family in Shelsley Walsh
Max Hunt gives talks on the village of Shelsley Walsh and it includes the rise and fall of 3 great families so Max may have information on the Foley family and the ironworks.
I put his name and Shelsley Walsh into Google and there is an advert for a talk he is giving on 14th April. There is a phone number so you may be able to make contact with him.
Asparagus growing
Asparagus is still grown commercially (under glass) in Wickhamford at Nightingale Orchards, Longdon Hill.
This years crop will be on sale from 14th march 2022.
Re: Asparagus growing
Thanks, Graham. I've now added a mention of this in the article. I was waiting for the nursery to open this Spring to confirm that the asparagus sold there was home-grown.
Tom Locke
1st WW career of Albert Edward Evans, Vet Corps.
Hello, my Great Grandfather Albert Edward Evans, a Badsey resident,served in Vet Corps during WW1, I understand, my own Son Charlie, has just joined Vet Corps, and have been asked by his boss if I can dig up any info about Alberts service, does any one have any infomation, any thing would be greatly received.
My best regards Andy Wilce.
Re: 1st WW career of Albert Edward Evans, Vet Corps.
Thank you for contacting us. Albert Edward Evans is mentioned on pages 23, 25 and 97 of Peace, War & Remembrance: The Great War in Badsey, Aldington and Wickhamford. His attestation certificate may be seen on page 25, but it is not very clear. Full details of A E Evans's WWI service may be found on both Ancestry and Findmypast - both subscription websites are currently offering free trials if you are not already a subscriber.
Re: 1st WW career of Albert Edward Evans, Vet Corps.
My great thanks for the prompt reply to my question about my maternal Great Grandfather and his WW1 career,
Regards Andy Wilce.
Badsey Fields
Does anyone remember the row of apples that were small and dumpy grown up Badsey fields
Marshall family photograph
I recently came across this photo on your site (archive item 3727). I might be completely wrong, but I may have linked Mr and Mrs Barnard who are on it. Fanny Marshall's parents were George Addis and Hannah Glover. Hannah had previously been married to Henry Barnard (1828-1860) and they had four sons - William b.1853, Benjamin b. 1855, George b. 1857 and John b.1860. Could Mr and Mrs Barnard be mother and son rather than husband and wife? Please feel free to tell me I'm barking up completely the wrong tree!
Re: Marshall family photograph
I'm adding to my previous post. I've realised the big error in my thinking! Mrs Barnard could not have been Fanny's mother because her surname would have been Addis. Obvious really! However, could Mr Barnard have been one of Fanny's half-brothers with a very old wife? The fact that Mr and Mrs Barnard are in a family photo is surely an indication that they were related?
Karen.
Re: Marshall family photograph
I'll have a look at the family tree and see what may be of some help but I don't think I could make out which Mr & Mrs Barnard they were.
Re: Marshall family photograph
Hello Sue.
Maureen has emailed me. Her theory is that the old couple are Hannah and George Addis. Hannah was previously married to Henry Barnard so whoever supplied the names for the photo may have remembered her with her first married name and it was a slip of the mind. This makes sense and I'd love to prove it as they would be my great-great-great grandparents.
Karen.
Edward Williams Pope
I have a "consumption" coin.
One side states "T.Pope & Co" and info on the coin manufacturer and the other side says "Edward Williams" and "Reindeer Hotel"
It seems to fit that this is Edward Williams Pope of Wickhampton Manor ???
A consumption coin was given as a wage to employees to exchange for cash in certain pubs or in a pub owned by the employer. Naturally you had to purchase beer first!
There is a couple Reindeer Inns in Worcestershire....
Is anyone interested in this ??
I am happy to whatsapp a photo
I am not a coin dealer!! I was given a bag of coin odds as a child, and have just taken a closer look at them all - a lockdown project, of course!
Kind regards
San
Re: Edward Williams Pope
Thank you for your message to the Badsey Society regarding what I believe are called Tavern Tokens.
I don't think the token you have is connected to Edward William Pope of Wickhamford.
T. Pope & Co relates to the maker of the token. I think the company were probably in Birmingham in the 19th century. The British Museum has a collection of over 350 tavern tokens made by the company. There are one or two images on their website. From these images it appears that on the one side there is the name of the hotel or inn for whom they were made. Above that there is a name and presumably that relates to the owner/landlord. Below the name of the hotel/inn it should give the name of the place where the property was situated. On the reverse it should say T. Pope & Co. Makers and below it should be marked with an address. There may also be the value of the token.
Although I don't think there is any connection to the Wickhamford Pope family there is one thing that may just be a strange coincidence. William Wallington Pope, the brother of Edward William Pope died in December 1880 whilst staying at The Reindeer Hotel, Guildford.
I would, therefore, be interested in seeing the full inscriptions on both sides of the token. Perhaps you could send these.
Anyway many thanks for contacting the Society and I look forward to receiving the details on the token.
Regards
Valerie Harman
Iso of Agg family recipes
Hello all. I am the great granddaughter in Canada, of an Agg from Badsey. In search of any Agg family recipe. Hoping there is a resource ie, church cook books, local papers etc. Thx
Re: Iso of Agg family recipes
I'm sorry, but I don't know of any recipes, certainly nothing in our church records, and I can't imagine there would be anything in the local newspaper.
Re: Iso of Agg family recipes
Thank you.
Re: Iso of Agg family recipes
Hello,
I am also a descendant of a Badsey Agg.d
Re: Iso of Agg family recipes
Hello Deborah. It was a large family.Happy to chat if you are interested.
Re: Iso of Agg family recipes
Hello Jayne, In case Debbie hasn't seen your response, I have sent her an email and given her your email address if you would like to continue your conversation offline. If you have any exciting new information about the Agg family, we would love to hear from you.
Frances Mary Touchet's date of birth.
Frances Mary Touchet was born at Ayot St. Lawrence, Hertfordshire on 21 November 1812.
See London Courier and Evening Gazette dated Saturday 28 November 1812
The orginal can be found on-line via the British Newspaper Archive at:
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001476/18121128/02…
Re: Frances Mary Touchet's date of birth.
Thank you. I have updated the biography for Frances Mary Gardiner (née Touchet).
Robert Lionel Phillips 1898-1956
Mr and Mrs Phillips had two further sons following the birth of Ioan in 1924 - Hywel in 1929 and Merfyn in 1934.
Re: Robert Lionel Phillips 1898-1956
Thank you for informing of this. I have updated the relevant page.
Creating a Repository on Ancestry
Hello,
I have added your article to my Ancestry tree and would like to reference it correctly. However, I cannot find a physical address for the society on the website. Could you please send the proper information for referencing these websites?
https://www.badseysociety.uk/ww2/fatal-air-crash-wickhamford-1941
https://www.badseysociety.uk/people/braasch/helga
Thank you